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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby teresa1971 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:07 pm

Cool how much is the audio tour? Unless someone wants to give me a free personal tour? Any takers?
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:03 pm

teresa1971 wrote:Cool how much is the audio tour? Unless someone wants to give me a free personal tour? Any takers?

$6.00
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby mrbassbone on Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:40 am

Be careful is someone offers you a free tour of the basement....LOL

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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby wconly on Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:46 am

mrbassbone wrote:Be careful is someone offers you a free tour of the basement....LOL
teresa1971 wrote:Cool how much is the audio tour? Unless someone wants to give me a free personal tour? Any takers?

Yeah, but if they do...please check and see if my bike is still there? Thanks :D . W>
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:32 am

Is the tour out on CD?
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:35 am

Seguin wrote:Is the tour out on CD?

I didn't see it in the giftshop, otherwise I would already have a copy. Shall continue to ask, though.

(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:05 am

Nefarious wrote:
Seguin wrote:Is the tour out on CD?

I didn't see it in the giftshop, otherwise I would already have a copy. Shall continue to ask, though.

(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:


Great! I have´nt heard their audio tour. It´s probably not much different from the Discovery one, but I would like to hear it all the same.
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:26 am

Nefarious wrote:(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:

For real? I have never heard that one. It's probably some long-dead tourist still trying to find a large print of Gary Zaboly's "A Moment In Time, Dawn of March 6, 1836."
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:19 am

(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:


You mean Pee Wee did´nt make it out alive?
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby wconly on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:33 am

Seguin wrote:
(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:


You mean Pee Wee did´nt make it out alive?

No! You are aiming too high here. It is the pelts of unsold coonskin caps wanting revenge for being tossed aside in a 'dark, damp and lonely basement' while hudnreds of tourists just a few feet above them are searching diligently to find just one...just one to take home to little Suzy, or Tommy, or Betty, or Joey! Man...I have got to take the time and make an appointment with my thearpist again :lol: ! W>
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:45 am

wconly wrote:
Seguin wrote:
(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:


You mean Pee Wee did´nt make it out alive?

No! You are aiming too high here. It is the pelts of unsold coonskin caps wanting revenge for being tossed aside in a 'dark, damp and lonely basement' while hudnreds of tourists just a few feet above them are searching diligently to find just one...just one to take home to little Suzy, or Tommy, or Betty, or Joey! Man...I have got to take the time and make an appointment with my thearpist again :lol: ! W>


I see! :shock: Did you forget to take your medication again, or is it time for another electro shock? :D
I think Moses Rose hid out in the basement (now, where´s my medication?).
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby teresa1971 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:29 pm

Nefarious wrote:
Seguin wrote:Is the tour out on CD?

I didn't see it in the giftshop, otherwise I would already have a copy. Shall continue to ask, though.

(And yes, the Alamo giftshop does have a basement. On top of that, it's supposed to be haunted.) :shock:


Really? Will Pee Wee Herman still be down there looking for his bike?
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Wade Dillon on Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:16 pm

The Alamo is now offering a one hour long battlefield tour at 11a.m and 2 p.m, every day. The cost of the battlefield tour is $15 and all proceeds goes towards Alamo preservation and its educational programs. I have led several since the battlefield tours began last summer and I am quite pleased with it; giving visitors a new found respect and understanding of the original Alamo compound and its story.

Also, If you do go with the Alamo battlefield tour, you get the Audio Tour for free! How about that? Check with the Audio Tour team when you're in town!
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:04 am

Thanks, Wade. Here's the official flyer:
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby wconly on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:07 am

This is truly a refreshing idea and concept! Glad to see that someone has put this idea to work! W>
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:55 am

I think it's the best thing that's happened at the Alamo in a long time. And I'm glad to see that Wade gives some of them. And I'm also glad to see so many Zaboly's in one handout! :lol:
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:44 pm

Not an audio tour, but a 5 minute video plugging the book "The Alamo Story And Battlefield Tour by Dean Kirkpatrick.
In the video, Dean and the reporter do a walk-about of the Alamo battle ground.

http://biggeekdad.com/2014/01/alamo-story/
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby MartyB on Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:01 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:I think it's the best thing that's happened at the Alamo in a long time. And I'm glad to see that Wade gives some of them. And I'm also glad to see so many Zaboly's in one handout! :lol:


I agree...

I've always been partial to the game-board layout that Mr. Z did for the game "Blood of Noble Men'...
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:52 am

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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:01 am

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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:19 am

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Not an audio tour, but Wade (this past Friday), doing his history talk about the battle of the Alamo.
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Wade Dillon on Sat May 30, 2015 5:07 am

Thanks for the photos, Ned. Though it makes me realize how much I need to lose wait :twisted:

Audio tours are $7 per person. Discount for military.

Battlefield tours are $15 per person. With the purchase of a battlefield tour, you get the audio tour for free. So, two tours for the price of one.

Battlefield tour schedule will be limited come the summer months due to the heat.
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:45 pm

Here's the new GLO Alamo hand-out pamphlet availabe to all visitors to the Alamo.

A couple of things they should've updated before sending it to the printer include mentioning that the Mexicans made
several assaults on the Alamo on the morning of March 6, when there was, in fact, just one.

Also, look at the overlay map of the Alamo on the modern-day Alamo Plaza. The map shows the north wall reaching the
steps of the Federal Building when in fact it went far into the lobby of that building and to the back wall of the Gibbs
Building. (The actual north wall would've bled off the overlay map.) So why try and shrink the Alamo compound? Was
this a conscious effort to separate the Alamo grounds from Federal property by inferring that all of the plaza was on City-
owned land?
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Alamo John UK on Sun Aug 30, 2015 11:53 pm

Ned. On the question of the overlay map, they probably gave the position of the north wall as being on the steps and not actually inside the building so as to prevent a load of tourists "littering" the precious lobby without them actually spending any money in there ?? :shock: I sometimes wonder who these so called "Educated experts" who draw up these pamphlets actually are ?
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:30 am

Alamo John UK wrote:Ned. On the question of the overlay map, they probably gave the position of the north wall as being on the steps and not actually inside the building so as to prevent a load of tourists "littering" the precious lobby without them actually spending any money in there ?? :shock: I sometimes wonder who these so called "Educated experts" who draw up these pamphlets actually are ?

Well John, the building is currently a federal courthouse, so security is tight. You have to go through airport-type screening, removing all metal stuff from your pockets to be scanned. Once inside, if you do not have court business, there's little else to see, save for the nice murals of events in Texas History in the lobby. They used to have one Post Office window opened, but do not know if that is the case now. At any rate, there is no signage whatsoever that the north wall of the Alamo once ran thru there.
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:24 am

Somebody should tell the GLO to correct the errors next time they need to print some more pamphlets.
I think the only reason for the errors is that they don´t know any better, but I could be wrong, of course.
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:33 am

Well, at least the GLO was not the first ( and probably not the last) guilty of shrinking
the Alamo compound. Look at the north wall in this image! The actual north wall
would've run off the page. Not enough room in that confined drawing space.
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Re: The Alamo Audio Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:37 am

Right, but the Alamo (GLO) have a commitment, or should have a commitment, to print their pamphlets true to the historical facts.
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby Seguin on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:09 am

Nice crowd considering the cold weather.
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:56 pm

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Davy Crockett’s been dead for 181 years, but the famed American frontiersman who died in the Battle of the Alamo is being resurrected by a group of Austin digital designers to lead tours of the site beginning early next year.

Design firm Imagine Virtua is using the same “augmented reality” technology that propelled the Pokémon Go frenzy last summer for an app that will allow tourists to interact with virtual versions of Crockett, Mexican soldados and other figures from the historic fight for Texas’ independence, and let them hear from those people what happened at each spot they are standing on.

San Antonio company Alamo Reality, which hired Imagine Virtua, has secured a seven-figure investment from San Antonio-based Remati Investments to fund the creation of a free app and other products based around the historic battle, including high-tech trading cards to show 3D images of figures from the period when viewed through a smartphone. Executives declined to disclose the exact amount of the investment.

Using a smart phone, users will be able to see and interact with computer-generated people and scenes from the past — overlayed on top of the very real and present-day Alamo. The app will also show the Alamo as it was at different points in history, and tell the story of the historic battle through different perspectives of the people (like Crockett) who were there. The app includes extra features users can buy, much like Pokémon Go.

“We’re making this into a virtual time machine so that if I’m standing on this spot and I look at, oh well there’s Davy Crockett, then I can go back a century and I can see the mission being built,” Alamo Reality CEO Michael McGar said. The app will allow users to see the Alamo not only as it was in 1836, but as it was before and after, McGar said.

In harnessing the technology behind Pokémon Go’s success, McGar said he hopes to get more people excited to learn about the famous 1836 battle and its history. The company is shooting to release it next March — in time for the city’s tricentennial celebrations next year.

Developers are looking at getting some “pretty great-named folks” to narrate for the figures like Crockett, said Leslie Komet Ausburn, spokeswoman for Alamo Reality and Imagine Virtua. Alamo Reality hired Imagine Virtua, which was set up by McGar and Chipp Walters in May, to develop the products.

“We’re developing a technology that’s going to be able to span across generations to tell a story,” said Lane Traylor, managing partner for Remati Investments.

After seeing the phenomenon of Pokémon Go, McGar said he was inspired to refresh a subject he tackled back in the 1990s with a two-disc CD-ROM set that educated desktop computer users about the history surrounding the Alamo.

“I’ve been holding this in my mind that I wanted to revisit it when technology got different. And then when I saw Pokémon I looked at it and I said, man if I can have Davy Crockett pop up in the Alamo like Pokémon and tell me what happened, that’s going to be another step up in the technology,” McGar said in an interview.

While people often fret that technology is “ruining” kids, this project will help them learn, Komet Ausburn said.

“You’ll have different historical figures that will talk to you when you hit certain spots and say hey, I’m so and so, and it could be Davy Crockett, or it could be other historical figures that you maybe don’t know about that will talk to you about the significance of where you’re standing at the moment,” she said.

Also part of the team is Walters, one of McGar’s friends and CEO of Imagine Virtua. The two had “semi-competing” multimedia companies in the 1990s and 2000s, McGar said, but had never collaborated on a project.

“When I started looking at this … I knew that if it was going to get built I had to have Chipp to do that,” McGar said. “He’s got the technological chops to be able to do that.”

McGar said “famous historians” helped write and vet a 1,500-page script for the 1990s project. Stephen Hardin, a leading expert on Texas history and the Battle of the Alamo, is guiding the new project, Walters said.

“He’s kind of our light, in terms of identifying what we’re doing,” Walters said of Hardin. “We’re trying to tell creative and interactive stories right, but we want to make sure that they’re accurate, right … we really want to focus on historical accuracy, we want to make sure we’re not embellishing.”

The app will also include an artifact hunt, where people can hunt for different things purposefully located around Alamo Plaza, McGar said, “like Pokemon Go, where you find objects and you can capture those objects and put them in your scavenger hunt bag.”

But while the app certainly sounds entertaining, the executives stressed that it’s not going to be a game. The goal isn’t to create hordes of kids gathering outside the Alamo to battle each other the way kids flocked to Pokemon gyms. Executives say they are designing the app to help people at all ages better conceptualize the historic place and the famous battle for Texas’ independence.

“When people go to the Alamo, they come away from that experience going: I really don’t understand what happened here,” McGar said. “But what we’re going to do is be able to build an experience to where when they go to the Alamo they will understand what happened. They’ll be able to see the Alamo the way it was in 1836, they’ll be able to see the characters who were involved, they’ll be able to uncover things that they didn’t know about, that have been uncovered in history just recently.”

Executives are also planning for a virtual reality version, an immersive experience that people can enjoy with Google Cardboard, McGar said. Laying a smartphone down into the inexpensive piece of hardware allows a viewer to see a scene happen around them as if they were really there.

The group is also planning to create high-tech trading cards.

“So you lay the trading card down on the table and Davy Crockett will stand up and talk to you,” McGar said. “If you have a cannon, it will stand up and they will shoot the cannon. If you have a soldado, they will stand up and shoot the musket.”

They are also planning to create a game board with a map of the Alamo, McGar said, “and it will pop up in 3D … You will see the battle and you will hear the battle narrated.”

McGar’s CD-ROM project, The Alamo: Victory or Death, was reviewed favorably at the time, and featured narrations by famous Texans such as Sissy Spacek and Dan Rather.

“The neatest thing about The Alamo is the 3-D virtual tour of the compound,” Jesse Sublett wrote in 1995 in The Austin Chronicle of the CD set. “For once I actually grasped the feeling of futility a small army might feel trying to defend such a large and rambling fortress.”

That review couched that “the graphics are okay but not exactly dazzling,” and closed with the almost prophetic: “But if only because there’s nothing else out there quite like it, The Alamo: Victory or Death is going to be a cornerstone of any multimedia Texana collection — at least until something better comes along.”

That version too, included a scavenger hunt-like element, and McGar said he found people couldn’t find the items without actually studying the history, which led them to pay more attention to what actually happened at the historic site.

McGar has worked with the likes of Miramax, Sony Digital Entertainment and 20th Century Fox, according to the Alamo Reality website. And Walters’ credentials include “helping to create compelling interactive user experiences” for entertainment giants such as Disney, DreamWorks and the Discovery Channel, according to the Alamo Reality website.

While the group takes the technology “very seriously,” Walters said they are more focused on the story.

“The educational aspect of this is important to all of us,” Walters said.

The challenge, too, is to tell a compelling story instead of just “regurgitating facts,” he said. And the group will likely have to address competing versions of history, but McGar said he addressed those issues in his 90s project by letting a user see all of the different accounts of certain events.

“What that does too for students is it gives them a way to have the critical learning skills to start to judge these things,” McGar said.

The project isn’t officially sponsored by the Texas General Land Office, which oversees the state-owned historic complex, but executives said they plan to work to garner support throughout the community. Traylor said the company is “trying to work” to “where we can be directly tied with the Alamo.”

“And of course we’re not there yet, we’re still in conversations with them, and trying to get it used anywhere,” he said.

Brittany Eck, spokesperson for the Land Office, said the office was aware of the project but is not “collaborating on it.”

The Alamo is actually trademarked, and when asked about licensing that trademark, Traylor said: “We’re telling history as it stands and not using anything tied directly to the Alamo, besides the history, just like we were writing a book.”

The group said it also has aspirations to get its work into schools, particularly into fourth and seventh grade classrooms where Texas history is taught. They suggested, for example, using augmented reality over pages in students’ textbooks to make them want to crack open their dusty tomes.

Virtual and augmented reality is a growing industry. Last year the International Data Corporation forecasted that worldwide revenues for the AR/VR market would grow from $5.2 billion in 2016 to more than $162 billion in 2020.

“I have no doubt that VR will stay around,” Walters said, citing his dad as an example of the potential for the technology. His father doesn’t walk well, he said.

“In that thing he can go on a trip with his buddy who lives in Cincinnati and they can tour the Louvre, right, or they can go do all these things, right, and they can walk all day without getting out of their chair,” Walters said of a VR headset. “So that’s an amazing - for this graying generation, that’s an amazing potential, huge huge potential.”

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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:27 pm

I realize it is just a "preliminary sketch" but I still have some questions:

What's with the two trees growing out of the cannon platform?! :o

Why two separate cannon platforms, one "landing" platform with a ladder up to the actual one?
Would this have allowed for enough room for cannon recoil?

Aren't the crenelations along the facade speculative, at best?
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby SantaClaus on Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:41 pm

Good questions, Ned. It does make one wonder where the artist got these ideas for his preliminary renditions.
Despite how the defender on the platform is dressed, I believe that he is Seguin. That would explain the double platform and the tree growing through it....
It's as easy as Juan, two, tree. :lol:

Image 4 of 7 is described as "David Crockett as he may have been dressed at the Alamo according to historical interpretations".
It appears that different rules apply to the "Virtual Alamo" than the ones applied to the "Reimagined Alamo". The Reimagined Alamo plan does not allow for any rebuilding because the planners says that the rebuilt parts won't be historically perfect in every detail and visitors to the site will be confused, but the Virtual Alamo plan allows for buildings and people to be virtually re-created with inevitable inaccuracies to help un-confuse visitors. :?
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:32 pm

NefariousNed wrote:I realize it is just a "preliminary sketch" but I still have some questions:

What's with the two trees growing out of the cannon platform?! :o

Why two separate cannon platforms, one "landing" platform with a ladder up to the actual one?
Would this have allowed for enough room for cannon recoil?

Aren't the crenelations along the facade speculative, at best?

The flat-topped façade with crenelations, of course, come from Gary Zaboly's speculation in his illustrations for "An Altar for Their Sons," and he is basing the concept on the drawing "based on" Sanchez-Navarro's sketch of the fort "from the roof of the Veramendi house." So... speculative but based on a primary source (we hope). And NO LESS SPECULATIVE than to assume (as we have for decades) that Edward Everett's 1846 drawings are the way it was before Andrade demolished fortifications in June 1836.

The trees must have been assumed based on one of Susanna Dickinson's many accounts (with varying degrees of removal from a first generation account with classic 19th. century dramatic embellishments) where "she" mentions trees in the Alamo church. She also refers to soldados raising a dying defender "on their sabers," if I remember correctly. She didn't have a firm grasp of what things were called apparently. I have just assumed her "trees" were her way of describing wooden poles (probably rough-cut tree trunks) holding up platforms or the like.

The double -- and elevated -- platform comes from another Zaboly article in The Alamo Journal where he SPECULATES that, since the Mexicans referred to the platform as "caballeria alta" (a high horseman), supposedly meaning higher than anything else around, then this would have been precisely what the rule books for military fortifications suggest. His excellent SPECULATIVE drawing of such a feature in the Alamo church showed a much higher apse with a platform also much higher than the 12 feet we generally believe it to have been. Gary's speculation on sooo much of his description of the Alamo fortifications is very useful because it causes us to push the envelope, so to speak, with our view of what was really there, but it is still speculation and perhaps this new and exciting teaching tool will regard it as such. Certainly, if they will be as interactive as they claim, the viewer could be allowed to see the various speculative conditions of the Alamo during the siege and then something to say "but this is ALL we really know at this time until further primary sources are revealed."

Notice, the illustration captions always say, "These are preliminary renderings, and are being revised to increase accuracy and detail."
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby SantaClaus on Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:33 pm

Rich, Those were very good answers to Ned's very good questions. A body can get a virtual education just readin' the questions and answers about things posted on this forum. It's a great place to expand one's virtual horizons. :)
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby jrboddie on Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:34 pm

They should really send some of that "seven figure investment" Rich's way to get it right!
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby ConnieFromHaiti on Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:29 am

jrboddie wrote:They should really send some of that "seven figure investment" Rich's way to get it right!


I say "amen" to that!
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:38 am

THEN what would I do??? :lol:
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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby Rick on Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:24 am

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Re: The Alamo Battlefield Tour

Postby Seguin on Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:05 am

So... speculative but based on a primary source (we hope). And NO LESS SPECULATIVE than...article in The Alamo Journal where he SPECULATES that...His excellent SPECULATIVE drawing...Gary's speculation...it is still speculation...various speculative conditions...


I guess the key word here is "speculation", unless that´s speculative too. :D
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