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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby cc nolen on Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:51 pm

He had done nothing but win for most of his life. He was the youngest General in the Civil War, and from what I have read, he was fearless. He may have thought he could not be beat.
:? I use to box some when I was young, and I went 12 and 0 until I met Phillip Brown. He hit me so hard I was looking out the ear hole of my head gear after the first round - and I bit my mouth piece in half the second round :o - dont remember anything past that. :lol: I learned real quick, there is always someone who can beat you. ( Brown went on to fight Larry Holmes and lost a 15 round decision......so, he even got beaten!)
Custer may have gotten a little big for his britches :roll: Instead of Phillip, he ran into a fighter named Crazy Horse. ;)
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Buckshot on Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:54 pm

cc nolen wrote:Reminder; There were other tribes coming in each day. I would think any number would be an estimate. I dont think there has been such a unity of the different Tribes before Custer's Last Stand or After?
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There had never been such a unity of warriors before. The total number of NA people in the encampment and its size and length has always been a point of dispute. And the Lakota, Cheyenne, and Arapaho had been gathering for days since word had spread of large columns of cavalry in the area.
The TOTAL strength of the US 7th cavalry was approx 676, including officers, enlisted, civilians, and NA scouts. If even the low end estimate of 1500 to 2,000 warriors took to the battle, Custer was hopelessly outnumbered. All estimates of numbers in the battle were based on faulty intelligence and not only Custer, but Generals Terry and Gibbon accepted these numbers. Custer WAS incredibly brave in the Civil War and Sheridan and Sherman held him in high regard, as did historian Shelby Foote.
But Custer ran up against Tasunka Witko (Crazy Horse), a master tactician himself.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby cc nolen on Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:46 pm

I also read that Crazy Horse was so smart, and because of the heat, he had some of his men stay back, and keep replacement horses fresh and ready. Custer's men were in such confusion, they lost their horses, or were forced to shoot them so to hide behind.
Just a rough day for the 7th.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Buckshot on Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:08 pm

cc nolen wrote:I also read that Crazy Horse was so smart, and because of the heat, he had some of his men stay back, and keep replacement horses fresh and ready. Custer's men were in such confusion, they lost their horses, or were forced to shoot them so to hide behind.
Just a rough day for the 7th.
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According to Sunka Blo'ka
(He Dog), Crazy Horse kept a large group of warriors in reserve, and fresh mounts (with the fastest horse reserved for himself), so that he could continually attack the troopers wherever he separated them into small clusters. "Crazy Horse moved like the wind", He Dog told Walter Camp.
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Crazy Horse was not just a master of the attack. He knew decoy and ambush techniques. He Dog was with him at the Fetterman "massacre". Crazy Horse had attacked a small party of woodcutters from Fort Phil Kearny, and then retreated. It was a feint. When CPT William Fetterman responded with a force of 81 troopers, Crazy Horse and about ten warriors dismounted and taunted Fetterman, sucking the troopers farther in where they ran into Crazy Horse's main force. Fetterman and his men were annihilated.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby warren on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:50 pm

Let's not forget the fighting ability of some of other Indians there that day, i.e. Gall, Low Dog, Crow King, Rain in the Face, White Man Runs Him, etc.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Seguin on Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:50 am

When CPT William Fetterman responded with a force of 81 troopers, Crazy Horse and about ten warriors dismounted and taunted Fetterman, sucking the troopers farther in where they ran into Crazy Horse's main force. Fetterman and his men were annihilated.


Fetterman allegedly boasted that with 80 soldiers, he could "ride through the Sioux Nation". How stupid can you get?
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Buckshot on Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:22 pm

warren wrote:Let's not forget the fighting ability of some of other Indians there that day, i.e. Gall, Low Dog, Crow King, Rain in the Face, White Man Runs Him, etc.


Warren, you mentioned some great names of great warriors. Thanks. But just for the record, White Man Runs Him was on the "other" side. He was a Crow and a scout for Custer.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby warren on Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Thanks, Buckshot. I always get him confused with Lame White Man and can never remember which one was the Custer scout.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Buckshot on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:21 am

No worries, Warren. In the Lakota dialect, unless you listen closely, its hard to hear that the adjective always comes before a noun. Its easy to get them transposed. I wish I was fluent in Lakota/Dakota, but I am not.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Alamo John UK on Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:44 pm

One of the many mysteries of the Little Bighorn is the spurious grave and present day marker of Second Lieutenant James G. Sturgis, originally of Company M, he was serving with Company E at the time of the battle. His body was never identified amongst the dead on the battlefield, however his blood covered clothes and possibly even his decapitated head were found in the remains of the Indian village.

His grieving Mother Mrs Jerusha Sturgis, deeply troubled by the fact that her sons body had not been located was allowed to visit the battlefield sometime around June 1878 (2 years after the battle) no doubt her request was helped by the fact that she was the wife of a high ranking officer (Colonel Samuel D. Sturgis) and she was escorted to the Little Bighorn by Colonel Nelson Miles and a contingent of the 5th U.S. Infantry out of Fort Keogh.

On arrival at the battlefield she found a well marked grave with a makeshift wooden cross bearing her son's name and rank. While this at least gave her some small relief that her son had been found and identified, the grave was in fact spurious, probably prepared by sympathetic comrades in order to give Mrs Sturgis some comfort in her loss. His present day marker is a few yards away from where the false grave was originally located, merely acting as a "possible location" of where he may have fallen.

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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Alamo John UK on Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:53 am

Here's a short video I put together recently. It includes the Sturgis marker and grave.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qm-2-zgWi8
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby Seguin on Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:36 am

Great video! It´s nice the fallen Indians have gravestones too.
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby cc nolen on Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:55 pm

Brian Gibson has asked me to put together a display of 1830 style tomahawks and hatchets for the 2018 Alamo Society Symposium. I had Tim Ridge of Swamp Fox Knives do the type of hand ax that might be in the hands of the Tennessee Boys and I believe some of the men carried Eastern style Cherokee Hawks. Of course some of the Defenders from Texas may have had contact with the local Comanche Tribe and while I was doing some research on the style of Tomahawk they preferred - I couldnt help notice the War Dress of the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers. :o
Now, I have always thought that if I was in the situation that Custer and his men found themselves in at the Little Big Horn, I would stand and fight till the end. But, I swear if the Cheyenne in the photo was after me, he would not want to strip and cut me up after the battle - due to all the poop in my britches!!! :lol: This guy means business, and I now understand why some broke and ran!
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby cc nolen on Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:58 pm

:? And then if that wasn't enough, they had their own Air Force!... :shock: - :lol:
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby JoeFDNY146 on Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:11 am

Chris, Believe it or not... I dated a girl looked just like that.....hatchet and all....Joe
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Re: Custer and The Little Bighorn

Postby cc nolen on Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:33 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: Damn!!! Did you bring her home to meet the family? :lol: :lol: :lol: You're killing me Joe! :D
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