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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Doc on Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:34 pm

Wasn't sure where to post this, but this topic is (rightly) hot now. Ebay has what appears to be an original John Jensen color art
rendering of Mexican artillery. It's listed under the movie "Alamo" and is item # 200658891149. It's listed for $500.00 and is from
the estate of John Kane, a writer for Batjac.

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby alamobill on Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:44 am

Great painting.....anything Jensen did would be quite collectible. However, I can't believe he put diamond shape shako plates on the the artillery shakos......should've been crossed cannon tubes with a flaming bomb.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:40 am

alamobill wrote:Great painting.....anything Jensen did would be quite collectible. However, I can't believe he put diamond shape shako plates on the the artillery shakos......should've been crossed cannon tubes with a flaming bomb.

Ha! Jensen was a Hollywood artist, not a military historian. He was just copying what was on Western Costumes' shakos. LOL.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby AlamoMo on Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:51 pm

Indeed Rich

You see this in artwork from the film " ZULU "

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby alamobill on Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:07 am

RLC-GTT wrote:
alamobill wrote:Great painting.....anything Jensen did would be quite collectible. However, I can't believe he put diamond shape shako plates on the the artillery shakos......should've been crossed cannon tubes with a flaming bomb.

Ha! Jensen was a Hollywood artist, not a military historian. He was just copying what was on Western Costumes' shakos. LOL.


Yes, Jensen was a hollywood artist...and a darn good one. I've always enjoyed his sketches. I didn't
mean to be overly critical of his wonderful painting, but he did get it wrong as far as painting the
diamond shape (infantry) shako plate on the artillery shako. In the movie, the artillery soldiers wore
the crossed cannon tubes with a flaming bomb on their shakos. I have attached Jensen's uniform
sketch of the artillery soldier in which he did depict the proper shako plate.

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby alamocentral on Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:20 am

Thanks for sharing the Jenson painting of the Mexican artilleryman. I have the original negs for all Jenson's images of the Mexican uniforms. The number in the lower left (81 EM) refers to how many of these uniforms were constructed.
These include Santa Anna, his band, infantry, dragoons, lancers, etc.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:38 am

What's this all about, Mustang? The Press release (Alamo Bible), or the premiere book?
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby wconly on Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:00 am

Nefarious wrote:What's this all about, Mustang? The Press release (Alamo Bible), or the premiere book?

Ned: I am a bit lost here. Who wrote this document? And, why is this person downing Ybarra so dearly and standing up so highly for Grant? Wayne; I understand -- as it was his 'dream project,' but the letter is seems a bit out-of-sorts. More clarification...would be appreciated. Thanks. W>
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby alamobill on Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:52 am

wconly wrote:
Nefarious wrote:What's this all about, Mustang? The Press release (Alamo Bible), or the premiere book?

Ned: I am a bit lost here. Who wrote this document? And, why is this person downing Ybarra so dearly and standing up so highly for Grant? Wayne; I understand -- as it was his 'dream project,' but the letter is seems a bit out-of-sorts. More clarification...would be appreciated. Thanks. W>


This is a copy of a letter written by Wayne's publicist, Russell Birdwell, to Tom Carlile who was one of the writers for The Press Release (aka Alamo Bible). This letter was written after Birdwell had read the first draft and he also attached several hand written changes/revisions he wanted made. I bought this on ebay a few years ago and sent John (Mustang) a copy.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:41 pm

Hey, Ned. How did you find that?
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby wconly on Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:47 pm

alamobill wrote:
wconly wrote:
Nefarious wrote:What's this all about, Mustang? The Press release (Alamo Bible), or the premiere book?

Ned: I am a bit lost here. Who wrote this document? And, why is this person downing Ybarra so dearly and standing up so highly for Grant? Wayne; I understand -- as it was his 'dream project,' but the letter is seems a bit out-of-sorts. More clarification...would be appreciated. Thanks. W>


This is a copy of a letter written by Wayne's publicist, Russell Birdwell, to Tom Carlile who was one of the writers for The Press Release (aka Alamo Bible). This letter was written after Birdwell had read the first draft and he also attached several hand written changes/revisions he wanted made. I bought this on ebay a few years ago and sent John (Mustang) a copy.

Thanks for the info...but I still wonder why he is bashing Ybarra so much in this. W>
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby alamocentral on Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:42 pm

If the above exchange raises your hackles some...here is a letter from Widmark to Phil Stern, on October 23, 1959. "Dear Phil, I am very sorry you left, but you're better out of this miserable production. Things are just as confused and distressing as ever. Hope to see you when I get out of here. Yours, Dick"
This was written after Stern left Brackettville (October 5, 1959); Elena Da Vinci was eventually fired; and LaJean Etheridge was murdered. By the way, Tom Carlisle was United Artists press agent on location, and he was sixfeet nine inches tall.

The letter is interesting, in that Widmark uses the diminutive "Dick", when this was supposedly what set him off with Wayne to begin with. It also shows the degree of tension that remained on the set after two months of shooting. I also have some of Carlisle's correspondence from this time frame. Carlisle mentions the tension caused by the Etheridge murder.

It is my understanding, that Birdwell wrote the "bible"...but he may have had help. Most of it is BS anyway.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby batjacdon on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:10 am

Nefarious wrote:What's this all about, Mustang? The Press release (Alamo Bible), or the premiere book?

Ned, it's about "Birdwell's Bible". It was during this period that Birdwell was putting together not only "The Bible" but the entire publicity campaign. I looked at Birdwell's files after reading this and noted that Bird was sending out almost daily memos, having the staff re-write ads and "plants" in the media.

He even wrote a memo dated April 4, 1960 where he asks Miss Hamilton of his office "Upon my return please remind me to rewrite certain portions of the trailer on "The Alamo" and then follow through with Wayne making it when he resumes his picture at 20th Centruy Fox."

I didn't read it as a dressing down of Ybarra or his work at all but rather Birdwell felt there was too much emphasis on Al during the first draft of "The Bible".
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby gh1836 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:01 pm

I wonder if Widmark had a change of heart about Waynes ablility in directing this movie. Seems like I've heard alot about Widmark's grumbling while the picture was being made and before it's premiere. Come on the movie wasn't the flop he thought it would be...after all it got nominations for seven academy awards including best picture and and won one. Com'on Dick it's a very enjoyable movie. Maybe he saw it and changed his mind.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby alamocentral on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:47 pm

Unfortunately, Widmark remained unreconstructed in his attitude towards the film until he died. If you check the TCM interview he did, you find that his attitude remained dismissive towards the film and Wayne. Jack Ford had to coerce (and send escorts) him into attending the premiere. Widmark's respect for Ford, is the only reason he attended. Surprisingly, Widmark enjoyed his experiences while making Two Rode Together, a less sucessful film than The Alamo. Who would have thought, that Wayne and Harvey would be the fast friends on location, rather than Widmark.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:10 pm

Nefarious wrote:BBC radio aired an interview with Richard Widmark on its March 7, 1997 edition of the program, CLOSEUP. In the course of the interview, done at Widmark's Santa Barbara home, interviewer Nigel Andrews brought up the subject of THE ALAMO.

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CLOSEUP: There was a recent biography of John Wayne that suggested that there were some pretty huge---at least at the beginning of the movie---pretty huge personality conflicts between you and Wayne. Did that happen?

WIDMARK: Well, we never got along personally. I respected him for what he did, his work, and to this day, I love to see him in a Western, he's terrific. But as people, we didn't get along. We didn't like each other. The first time I ever met Wayne, I'd just come out here and we went to a friend's house, Ollie Carey, the widow of Harry Carey, the Western actor and mother of a good friend of mine, Dobie Carey, Harry Carey Jr.. I went to her house and Wayne was there one night. I'd just moved out there and I'd just made this picture, THE KISS OF DEATH and I walk in the door and Wayne looked at me, he was half-smashed, and he says, "Wal, here comes that laughing son-of-a-bitch!" Well, from that point on, (Widmark chuckles) we weren't exactly friendly. We tolerated each other and when we worked, we were very professional, got along fine, never any trouble. But we didn't like each other, politically, or personally,

CLOSEUP: Did you like the vision he was presenting of America in THE ALAMO?

WIDMARK: I thought it was ridiculous, you know, grade-school hogwash---and all wrong!

CLOSEUP: Did this make you hesitate to take the part?

WIDMARK: Well, I didn't want to do it, particulary, but I needed the job at the time. I really didn't want to work with Duke, because we didn't like each other. But I went over one day to see him before when they were talking about casting me. He was very nice. And he wanted me to play Travis, the part that Larry Harvey played. And I said, 'no, I don't want to play that, I want to play Bowie.' 'You're not BIG enough for Bowie'--he liked big guys. (Widmark chuckles) Big to him was great. And I said, 'I'll be big enough.'
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby gtj222 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:40 pm

Looks like ole Richard failed on the "big enough" stuff.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Davy on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:53 pm

gtj222 wrote:Looks like ole Richard failed on the "big enough" stuff.


Stand tall ... Dick! :o :lol:
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby gtj222 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:56 pm

Wall.....there ya go agin, Davy!!!!!!!!
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby gh1836 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:59 pm

I guess that is why Widmark is so noticeably absent in Spirit of The Alamo and the Huberman Documentary. Nothing but fleeting glimpses of him. I really liked his performance of Bowie. I didn't know the first time I saw it that he was too short to play Bowie. Its kind of sad that he didn't get the film.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:41 pm

There have been several actors who worked together that didn't like the other for whatever reason. Robert Taylor/ Stewart Granger made three films together, "The Last Hunt' being the best, But as Widmark says there were no problems and BOTH were professional to smother any dislikes. On screen they looked to get on very well in the characters they played. Other actors have felt that some of the films they were in were trash. Burt Lancaster with "Airport' , a huge financial blockbuster in it's day. Like Lancaster, Widmark was out of work and did it for the job.

The interveiw also said that Widmark visited Wayne and all was well. Apparantly Widmark convinced Wayne he was indeed tall enough. You don't have to like someone even if you respect them.

All in all, I thought Widmark was just fine. I would have liked to seen a knife fight between him an Emil. However folks would think that would be like Bowie and Mike the Bull from "The Last Command".
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Postby Travis247 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:02 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:There have been several actors who worked together that didn't like the other for whatever reason. Robert Taylor/ Stewart Granger made three films together, "The Last Hunt' being the best, But as Widmark says there were no problems and BOTH were professional to smother any dislikes. On screen they looked to get on very well in the characters they played. Other actors have felt that some of the films they were in were trash. Burt Lancaster with "Airport' , a huge financial blockbuster in it's day. Like Lancaster, Widmark was out of work and did it for the job.

The interveiw also said that Widmark visited Wayne and all was well. Apparantly Widmark convinced Wayne he was indeed tall enough. You don't have to like someone even if you respect them.

All in all, I thought Widmark was just fine. I would have liked to seen a knife fight between him an Emil. However folks would think that would be like Bowie and Mike the Bull from "The Last Command".


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Speaking of Burt Lancaster (an actor who I always thought was great), did you ever listen to the commercials for his westerns when they do the "six gun salute" ads for upcoming movies on the western channel? They mention that because of his liberal views on all things (politics) refused to do movies with some of Hollywoods most famous actors because of their conservative views. The Duke and Charlton Heston, just to name a couple? Any ideas?

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:05 pm

Burt Lancaster was and is my favorite actor. He was considered for Disney's "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea". That would have made my day as that is my favorite film of all with "The Alamo" second.

I know he was approached to make a film with Wayne and rumor has it, he laughed at the idea. He turned down a Million dollars for "Ben Hur" cause he wanted to expose "religion" with "Elmer Gantry" and yet years later played Moses.

He really changed the Hollywood contract system by forming his own company followed by other STARS of the day. Under contract to Hal Wallis he made some good films and with his Warner Brother association made some highly enjoyable pics. "Flame and the Arrow" being my 3rd favorite film. He and Warners parted company and he never made a film with or for them again after 1954.

His personal ideas, politics...... played into what he choose for his roles. In the long run I think these hurt him and took him out of the top box office draws. By his own words he decribed himself as very difficult to work with. He said he was almost hated when a picture began by almost everyone but by end of shoot was loved by everyone.

I would have love to have seen him with Wayne in a western or adventure film, the same goes for Heston. What a trio that would have made for "The Alamo"!!! Too bad he could not put aside his personal issues with people. His choice and as I said earlier. you need to respect people's choices.

Wayne worked with everybody.I never heard of him talking ill of his fellow actors. (John Huston does not count as it was a director /actor relationship) I know he turned down a script sent to him from Eastwood but I do believe it was over the material.

Wayne assembled a fine cast and crew and made HIS movie.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Fri May 04, 2012 12:51 am

Of interest...

There are times I wish I was independently wealthy.....I'd be booking passage to the "40 shades of green" right now...

I would love to go to the 1st John Ford Ireland Film Symposium in Dublin in June........

From the website: http://www.johnfordireland.org/

"Highlights of the 1st John Ford Ireland Film Symposium include:

Opening night Gala Screening of Ford’s silent epic The Iron Horse at the National Concert Hall with music accompaniment from the RTE Concert Orchestra.

A Public interview and Masterclass with Oscar nominated director Peter Bogdanovich (The Last Picture Show) who knew Ford and made the remarkable documentary Directed by John Ford, which includes rare interviews with Ford, Henry Fonda, James Stewart and Clint Eastwood.

Keynote address and Ford Lecture by world-renowned biographer and film historian Joseph McBride (biographer for Ford, Spielberg and Orson Welles amongst others).

The 60th Anniversary screening of The Quiet Man, with special guests Dan Ford (grandson of John Ford), Hollywood royalty Maureen O’Hara and Oscar nominated producer Redmond Morris (son of The Quiet Man producer Lord Killanin)

Over a dozen Public Screenings; including a FREE outdoor screening of The Searchers, the 1956 classic John Wayne western; rare screenings of Ford classics The Grapes of Wrath, Fort Apache, The Informer and the recently discovered feature film Upstream (screening for the first time in Ireland)

Ford Panel Discussions each day with leading international film experts including Charles Barr (University of East Anglia), Gaylyn Studlar (Washington University), Kevin Rockett (Trinity), Luke Gibbons (NUI Maynooth) and Waylon White Deer (Choctaw Nation), amongst others.

Ford Industry Hub with Oscar nominated directors Jim Sheridan (Into the West) and John Boorman (Deliverance), BAFTA nominated Brian Kirk (Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones) and Emmy nominated Thaddeus O’Sullivan (Into the Storm), IFTA winning screenwriter Pat McCabe (The Butcher Boy), Colin Bateman (Divorcing Jack) and Paul Fraser (Once Upon a Time in the Midlands).

Masterclass with Oscar winning editor Joel Cox (Unforgiven, Mystic River).

20th Anniversary screening of Clint Eastwood’s Oscar winning revisionist Western Unforgiven, facilitated by Empire Magazine’s Kim Newman reflecting on Eastwood’s work as the recipient of the inaugural John Ford Award.

Music for the Screen event with Golden Globe nominated composer and musician Kyle Eastwood (Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby and Gran Torino).

The Abbey Players & John Ford – an exploration of Ford’s relationship with the actors of the Abbey Theatre.

The John Ford Exhibition displaying rarely seen Ford papers and correspondence.

Plus much, much more…"
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Thu May 17, 2012 5:10 pm

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Postby cc nolen on Thu May 17, 2012 7:40 pm

Ford seems to be to Wayne as Col. Tom Parker was to Elvis :roll:
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Postby wconly on Sat May 19, 2012 3:21 am

cc nolen wrote:Ford seems to be to Wayne as Col. Tom Parker was to Elvis :roll:

I'll buy that! Or, perhaps -- Brian Epstein and George Martin (Martin, even more so) to The Beatles! W>
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby tman56 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:22 pm

Re: Ford's statement. There was a critic at the time who said something like: "John Ford is mistaken. It only SEEMS to run forever."

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Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:15 pm

tman56 wrote:Re: Ford's statement. There was a critic at the time who said something like: "John Ford is mistaken. It only SEEMS to run forever."

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Postby gh1836 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:00 pm

Ford may not have been right about forever, but at my house its been playing ever since!
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Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:07 am

gh1836 wrote:Ford may not have been right about forever, but at my house its been playing ever since!

Well said, amigo. Mine too.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:53 pm

Of interest....

Five posts dealing with art work done by John Jensen.......

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"JOHN JENSEN’S THE ALAMO HAND-ILLUSTRATED SHOOTING SCRIPT AND PORTFOLIO OF RELATED ART. - (BatJac Prod., 1960) The collection consists of Jensen’s personal The Alamo shooting script in spring binder marked “John L. Jensen” at top of the title page. Over 60 pages exhibit Jensen’s hand-drawn illustrations storyboarding key scenes and action elements described in the corresponding pages, including exteriors of Bexar, Crockett’s fist fight with Bowie, the Mexican assault on the Alamo and Mrs. Dickinson’s exodus following the Alamo’s fall, to name a few. Also included within the script are folded plans of the Alamo and its environs and production related notes and papers clipped to the binder. Included with the script is a 21 in. x 23 in. black cardboard art portfolio containing multiple sketches, ink on acetate line drawing, photographs, blueprints and reference materials. Three full-color, acrylic on artist board paintings of western scenes: a rough of a cowboy galloping on a horse with rifle; a polished illustration of Davy Crockett hiding from Indian natives behind a tree and a spectacular 22 in. x 32 in. scene of two cowboys brawling in front of a saloon while townsfolk look on. The final item in this lot is a highly detailed 20 in. x 15 in. pencil on illustration board rendering of the iconic Alamo Mission chapel."




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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:06 pm

I found this drawing.......compelling......particularly the section I've detailed.....
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:34 am

Awesome, Marty! I've seen far too little of Jensen's work. The Shahan's had a few of his originals -- costuming drawings and one wonderful concept painting of Crockett leading his men down the Front Street on horseback in ther foo-faw-raw clothes. All gone to.... ??? Probably e-Bay.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby garyzaboly on Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:54 am

EXCELLENT find, Marty...thanks for posting! The pencils seem to be his initial rough concepts prior to a more "finished" color storyboard.

Too bad John Farkis doesn't have this for his book....

That square-format frontiersman-in-forest image seems to be for a stamp book...maybe the DANIEL BOONE one?

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:54 am

Absolutely unbelievable. Never even knew this existed. Now, if I only had a few thousand laying around.
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