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Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:20 pm

As this 1981 PBS film by director Jesus Trevino seems to be a topic of interest unto itself, per the request of several forum members,
I'm opening a new thread for it. Any mention of the film on other topic threads will be moved over here.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:22 pm

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The Waynamo set (1981), dressed for the 1982 PBS film, SEGUIN. (Kaj Andersen Collection.)

SEGUIN

Director: Jesus Salvatore Trevino

Producer: Severo Perez

Cinematographer: Judy Irola

CAST:
Juan Nepomuceno Seguin (A. Martinez)
Don Erasmo Seguin (Henry Darrow)
Gen. Santa Anna (Edward James Olmos)
Stephen Fuller Austin (Robert Viharo)
Cruz Arrocha (Danny de la Paz)
Gertrudis Seguin (Rose Portillo)
Jim Bowie (Tex Hill)
? (Pepe Serna)
? (Enrique Castillo)
? (Lupe Ontiveros)

Seguin 1982(PBS)

---REVIEW---

Seguin is the story of Juan Seguin, an unsung hero of the Texas War for Independence and one of the Mexican defenders of the Alamo. Don Erasmo Seguin, along with Stephen Austin, brought the first Anglo settlers to help develop the Mexican state of Texas. His son Juan came into conflict with his father because he sympathized with both Mexico and the American colonists' struggle for possession of Texas.

This sensitive film features evocative color cinematography and a good central performance by A. Martinez (The Cowboys, Pow Wow Highway) and a cast including many of the most prominent young Hispanic American actors of their generation. Edward James Olmos plays a snarling and vicious Gen. Santa Anna.

Filmed as part of a proposed PBS series called La Historia, which never received additional funding, Seguin was shown at film festivals around the United States and in Spain,. It was broadcast as part of the PBS "American Playhouse" series. It was filmed in 16mm on a 21-day schedule at a cost of $500,000 in Bracketville, Texas, on the sets John Wayne had used to film The Alamo (1960).
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Re: Seguin (1981)

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Nefarious wrote:Image
Edward James Olmos portrays Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, in SEGUIN.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

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Nefarious wrote:Image
A. Martinez, as Juan Seguin, prepares to carry a dispatch from the Alamo in SEGUIN.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:25 pm

Seguin wrote:Great pic of "Seguin"! I have´nt seen this one before.
I hope a new Seguin movie will be made one day...
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:26 pm

Bucko wrote:Jesus is still very active directing mainstream TV and also working with his true love, Latino history and current affairs. I had lunch with him not long ago in Pasadena and like the rest of us, would have liked to have seen less of the Seguin footage cut from The Alamo. Check out "Chuy's" website and see what he's up to currently. Like me, he's looking for a copy of "Seguin" for himself.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:29 pm

Nefarious wrote:Well, strictly for nostalgia's sake, it would still be nice if the original version of SEGUIN were commercially available in some format. While many people in the Alamo conmmunity are aware of the film, I do not believe it has even been shown on television since its original 1982 air date. That it was a low-budget production remains apparent. The Alamo battle in particular was made to look more like a shootout between a dozen, or so participants than an all-out engagement. Costuming was also not quite up to snuff; the Mexican uniforms, in particular looked several decades out of period, while the Tejanos attire bore little aristocratic flair. As Seguin, A. Martinez dresses more like a peon at times, than a member of one of the leading families of Bejar. I certainly do not have any complaint about the casting, however. A. Martinez is a believable Seguin and Henry Darrow is a delight as his father, Don Erasmo Seguin. Rose Portillo as Seguin's wife Gertrudis and Danny de la Paz as his servant Cruz y Arocha also work well, while James Edward Olmos as a cold, snarling Santa Anna gives the film punch for his recognizablilty. It's also great to see the Alamo Village set and Waynamo compound put to such good use. So, the question begs; would a new version of SEGUIN once again be filmed in Brackettville, or would producer Jesus Trevino opt to use the fast deteriorating Dripping Springs set from THE ALAMO (2004)?

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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:32 pm

Seguin wrote:Great Seguin pic! Have you got more Seguin pics, Nef?
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:34 pm

The Parson wrote:Here is another memory :)
I was in a reenactment group -- The Army Republic of the Rio Grande -- while living in Laredo some years back. A group of us went to Brackett to be extras in the movie about Juan Seguin. I am silhouetted in the sunrise scene just before the battle begins. My foot is also visible in the wagon stacked with bodies after the battle :lol:
One of the men in our group, Larry Dovalina, get really upset when they cast him as a Texian -- he has blonde hair and blue/green eyes -- a real guero :lol:
We also were asked to fire our rifles for the sound man so he could get sound for dubbing -- those shots you hear in the movie are the real thing!

One evening after shooting we had Eddie (now Edward James) Olmos, A Martinez and a few others over to my grandmother's house on Ft. Clark for fajitas and beer.

Great time had by all :lol:
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:36 pm

Davy wrote:Nice Parsons ... Ft. Clark is such a peaceful place! :D

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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:52 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:

TRAVIS (aka The Cost Of Freedom) was indeed a fine representation of the night-time battle, and, even though on a low low low budget, it totally overcame the cheap look that annoyed me so much in battle scenes in Seguin. These filmmakers knew the value of multiple sound effects tracks.

I showed it to the late Frank Q. Dobbs (Writer/Associate Producer of Rio Diablo, Uphill All The Way, Gambler V, Gone To Texas, and others) and he commented that it was proof of what he had always been trying to convince others -- that a sophistocated film of the battle could be made with only a few reinactors.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

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Seguin wrote:Yes, the battle scenes in "Seguin" were bad! They could have done better, even with their low budget, I think...
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:54 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:I spent about a month on vacation at Alamo Village that year, and was there for most or all of the production. One of my favorite moments was when they shot the night-time buggy ride dialogue scene between A. Martinez and Rose Portillo. They set up behind the church to get out of the strong north wind -- mostly so it wouldn't blow dust into the shot and on the actors. Happy hadn't had ANY precipitation for eighteen months. This was the argument scene between Juan and Gertrudis. Starting wide, Jesus shot the establishing shot of them driving the buggy through the night. Then they unhitched the team so the camera could get in close to shoot the several angles for the dialogue. With no horses, there was no ruinous noise close to the microphone -- and no buggy movement. Good director that he is, Jesus came up with an immediate solution. Severo and I became horses. Severo took one bar of the yoke; I, the other, and we gently shook the buggy all the way through every take.

Thus, if anybody ever calls me the south end of a north-bound horse, I would have to agree. Been there; done that.

Oh yes, their next major production problem was rain. The drought broke with a gullywasher that sent East Pinto Creek out of its banks and had a literal river flowing into it across the southwestern end of the village -- right where the faux river was for Price of Freedom.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:56 pm

bill chemerka wrote:Seguin cinematographer Judy Irola had to film what the production team gave her: a handful of extras. Irola told me in a 1984 interview: "We compensated for the lack of extras by utlizing closeup shots whenever possible. A successful combination of filming and editing can create a much bigger screen image. So in Seguin, you can see shots of hands, legs and weapons, rather than long range filmed sequences. Of course, we had to show entire soldiers from time to time. In those cases we used the same guys in several different ways: various camera angles, for example. Overall, our objective was to create the intensity of the final assault on the Alamo. I believe we succeeded."

I had the opportunity to work as Military Coordinator with Irola in Hard Winter, the Revolutionary War drama which aired on PBS in 1985.

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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:57 pm

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Thus, if anybody ever calls me the south end of a north-bound horse, I would have to agree. Been there; done that.


Funny story! Remember to put in on your CV, Rich... :D
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Re: Seguin (1981)

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Seguin wrote:Great Seguin pic! Have you got more Seguin pics, Nef?


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Here's yet another TV guide cover, to begin with. I have others.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:17 pm

Bucko wrote:... One more thing. If anybody has the financing, or knows someone who does, I believe that Chuy (Jesus Trevino) would be very interested in redoing a Seguin project. He didn't come right out and say it, but he is still very much a "Seguin" guy and is always looking for paying projects so that he can continue to work on independent projects that advance Hispanic culture. That's why he did all those mainstream TV shows (Babylon 5, ER...etc.) I believe he'd want to work through me for the time being if any of you have anything interesting for him; then if he approved, I'd put him in contact directly with you and I'd be out of it. I'm only interested in seeing another Seguin film done. He's a great, extremely talented, intelligent and generous guy, and not at all like a lot of the TV directors. He's got almost no ego at all and is just a good guy all around and I'd love to see him take another shot at it. Let me know if anyone has anything for him.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:30 pm

bgroneman wrote:...If I remember correctly, Bucko Rosenthal worked on that film with Jesus Trevino. He printed some interesting photos in the old "Alamo News" before it became the Alamo journal. With Bucko's direct link to Trevino there could be more info and pictures available in the future...


Here are the photos from the Alamo News article on SEGUIN.



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Re: Seguin (1981)

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Execution of 6 Texians, one wearing a coonskin cap.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby Seguin on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:41 am

Great pics from the movie! - Thanks, Nef...
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:30 am

Nefarious wrote:Image
Inside the Alamo. What are we doing here?


The Tejano at the far right (half cut off) is actually Valentino Hernandez, a young man who Happy Shahan developed as a singer and songwriter for many years.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby Bucko on Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:38 pm

My long-time buddy Bill Groneman is right. I did help Jesus out a little bit on "Seguin", although I never visited the set. I was sought of an ad hoc technical advisor. He had contacted me as for some reason - I can't recall it now - I think he was aware that I was very interested in the "non-mainstream" elements of the Alamo, such as the Tejanos and other minorities, etc. That's why I have some of the scripts and photos, etc. I did everything mostly by letter then or by phone call. It wasn't much at all, but what there was, was fun. All told, I've know Jesus and have been visiting with him for close to 30 years now. Please do get his book, "Eyewitness". It is really well done and gives you an understanding of the Chicano movement in the turbulent 60s and 70s, which in some terms, was not so different from Juan Seguin's life. This was before the thug-like gang movements and is very interesting reading. Having lived in both the New York metro area (actually, Joisey) and Southern California during the late 60s and early 70s and having been a very active member in the college anti-Vietnam War movement (who just a short time later, volunteered to fight in the Vietnam War as a member of the US Army Special Forces - go figure!), I can relate to his story. Maybe some of you can too.

I have in no way been as involved in Alamo productions as much as guys like Bill Chemerka, Nefarious and some of the others, nor am I as accomplished in the field as much as Bill Groneman, Frank Thompson, Mad Mike Boldt, Kevon Young etc., but I do have quite an interesting resume concerning the Alamo, and it has been fun.

If anyone is interested, Bill Groenamn and I were intimately involved in the non-making of the almost made-for-TV film "Roll Call At the Alamo" (it was even on TV Guide's fall schedule - I still have the issue), and we could talk about that if anyone likes - I still have all the scripts. But I do have to warn you - Bill has a much better memory than me and somehow, Frank Thompson in his book, "Alamo Movies", knows much more about the production than I ever did - and he wasn't involved in it! But I do have some good stories about that project, "Seguin" and even Wayne's "The Alamo". No, I wasn't a corporal in the Texan Army in that one, but I did get to meet and talk with the publicist, Tom Carlile, in his office in New York, about the film.

Let me know, and I'll be happy to relate what I remember.

And yes - I was a flower-smelling, tree hugging, peace-sign showing hippie during the Vietnam War (sorry - no juicy drug stories - I didn't and still don't touch 'em), who reached an epiphony one day at a college protest that caused me to never forsake the love and pursuit of peace and understanding, but just view it a bit differently when it came to people trying to kill my friends and fellow Americans.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby Bucko on Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:41 pm

P.S. I NEVER BURNED OUR FLAG!!!! That, like drugs, for me, was over the line. Free love wasn't, though, although I and everyone else was a heckuva lot less successful in that than they remember being and boastfully relate to others today! It's a lot like military medals. It's funny how guys in the service (or maybe not!) years later seem to have a lot more medals now hanging on the wall than they were actually given. Oh well. Whatever floats their boat.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby bgroneman on Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:14 pm

Phil,

Thanks. Those days were interesting and a bit crazy. It's also interesting that in all the years we worked on Alamo related stuff together, we were never actually in Texas or at the Alamo together. We'll have to rectify that.

I wrote an article "The Roll Call at the Alamo Story" for the Alamo Journal, #57, September 1987. I think someone, maybe Davy posted it on the now defunct Alamo Movie site. I still have an unofficial list of actors for the various past that we assembled. I also have the TV Guide blurb about it.

I don't remember you having lived in Southern California, one of my favorite places! When and where did you live there?

There must have been some phenomenal Alamo grapevibe in the early 1980's for Trevino to have become aware of your non-mainstream interests in the Alamo. He had a working script from June 1980, and you didn't start publishing your "counter culture" Alamo II until August of '80. Go figure!

Regarding the guys with the "lot more medal than they were actually given," you should read the book "Stolen Valor." There is a lot of great information there.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby bgroneman on Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:33 pm

The pictures Ned posted of the Seguin film were the ones I had written that Phil published years ago.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby Bucko on Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:52 pm

Bill: I spent 1967-69 out there until I had to come back because of my Mom's death. I lived off of Lincoln and Pacific in Venice Beach - the place is still there - for awhile, and then on Franklin near Camino Palmero in Hollywood. While there, I was majoring in Journalism and was involved in quite a few film productions. I had also done some volunteer work during college for awhile tutoring disadvantaged kids as well as teaching mostly Hispanic adults for their GED in the late 60s and very early 70s, before I went into the service. Also while in college, I was also doing quite a bit of soft-core political film-making and also writing for local town and college newspapers on such groups as the Black Panthers, local Marxist movements (I once got labeled by another newspaper as a member of one of these groups while in reality, I was just reporting on them - I guess it was the hair!), and various Hispanic organizations. But these factions of those groups, I must mention, were strictly community-action types, with violence, except for a situation in San Francisco in 1970, non-existent. In addition, after the army, I stayed in touch with Roberto L., who had served with me with incredible distinction. He became a power out in L.A. in the Brown Berets, a national Hispanic, and I believe, predominantly Chicano group, although he himself was Cuban. We always talked about Hispanic-American relations over the years, and though we had to watch our public relationship, since he was held more or less as persona non grata by various governmental agencies, we stayed in touch more or less constantly until his death a few years ago. Even today, I keep in touch with his son and daughter from time to time, and they are model citizens. I would say Roberto is probably the way Jesus found out about me, since Roberto did know about my fondness for the Alamo, and he was very involved and friendly with artist activists on both coasts. I suppose that's where he new Jesus from. However, I'm not sure whether I contacted Jesus first or vice versa. Also, Jesus' original script was dated November 19, 1979.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby bgroneman on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:37 am

Phil,

Thanks. This is one of the amazing things about all of this. I never knew one aspect of all of that information about California. What school were you enrolled in, because one of my nephews is now in school out there pursuing a film course.
what film projects were you involved in?

I was out there with my daughter during the summer of '07. We went swimming in the surf at Venice Beach. It was great. Of course the side show along the Venice Beach walk couldn't be beat.

To say that the Black Panthers in that time weren't involved in violence is absolutely insane. If I remember correctly they were all cons, using the Black Panthers as a front for political legitamacy.

Who was Roberto L.?
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby bgroneman on Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:45 am

Phl,

Was that Roberto L. Corrada?
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby Bucko on Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:18 pm

Bill: No...
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Postby Bucko on Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:51 pm

The Black Panthers I knew, led by a person named Dubois, helped put together an after-school program in some of the local churches that provided tutoring by college students and dinner and snacks for them. Many of the parents were either non-existent or involved in drugs. One of my favorite students, a cute 8 year-old little girl, was the darling of the entire program. I was one of her tutors - I helped her with her reading. One day she didn't show up, which was unusual, because she ALWAYS showed up. We found out she was beaten to death by her drug-crazed mother. The program kind of fell apart after that. Other than the occasional trouble just south of Venice Beach and sometimes along Pico Boulevard, there was nothing much in the way of violence. Up north in Oakland and S.F., there was a lot more trouble, especially by the Zoo, around Alamo Square and in the Haight. I wasn't a big fan of the Panthers, but did get to know some of them, and although misguided in their methods, some of them had their hearts, but unfortunately not their heads, in the right place. And some of them, like in all movements, were plain dogs, looking for an excuse to "off Whitey", or just make some money off of it. It also attracted women, believe it or not. I had two caucasian girl friends, really sweet girls, who were absolutely enamored of the Panthers. I found that out at a New year's Eve party, showing up because they invited me and, and they being two long-legged, well-endowed long haired beauties, who knew what could happen? Much to my surprise, I ended up trying to defend my race against a bunch of very big and mean-looking black guys, some whom were down from Oakland and over from Compton, while my two friends left the party early with some Panthers. I guess they didn't hate "Whitey" that much, eh? Actually, I did make some friends at that party, even though I didn't agree with much that they said. But there were some guys and women, who were downright scary, and I didn't want to have anything to do with them.

I was at UCLA and even played on the freshman club hockey team there - I still have my jersey. I had to leave when my Mom died and shortly thereafter, back in school back east, I met my wife. The film projects I was involved in, if I can remember some of them, were mostly with my partner, Phil Gelomine, who years ago, was featured in People Magazine for his work in indie films. I remember one was on pollution, another was a video of the Elvis Presley song "Guitar Man"; another was of "Mama", a Greek-American food vendor on Lincoln Boulevard near the pier in Venice Beach. Another one was an interview of some homeless Vietnam vets on Venice Beach, and I believe there was even something on George McGovern, whose campaign was in its infancy. We also interviewed a classmate and followed him on an LSD trip. There may have been more, but I don't remember. Some other highlights were having classes on the beach at Will Rogers State Beach at the end of Sunset Boulevard and our group opening for Ricky Nelson at the Troubadour on Santa Monica Blvd. in West Hollywood. Well, we didn't really technically "open" for Rick Nelson. There were about 4 or 5 groups after us before he came on and we caught a slight glimpse of him as we were leaving, and I never got to tell him that my Dad played in his Dad's band back in Jersey for a little while. I did, however, get to talk to his three sons at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland last year when they were putting up his exhibit, and they were quite interested in my story, not to mention that for awhile I lived just down the block from their grandparent's former house - yes, the one they used to show at the beginning of the Ozzie and Harriet Show. I do go on. I'll shut up now. Gotta go pick up my grandson so he can help me put up our holiday decorations.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby Bucko on Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:57 pm

P.S. What school is your nephew at? Spielberg teaches courses at UCLA every now and then - I've seen him there. If your nephew is at UCLA, tell him to go to the Sports Hall of Fame and ask him if the hockey pictures are still there - I haven't been there in about five years although I do make it out to the campus every year. They should be in the rear on the left side of the hall. I'm in one of them, the 1967 freshman club team. We won the title, although nobody cared. I remember leaving UC Berkeley after one of the games - they had an arena there at the time - and we were all glad we had our hockey sticks with us! It's not much better now. I was just there in July, although there is a lot of rebuilding being done up there.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby bgroneman on Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:34 am

Phil,

W.E.B. Dubois? He died in 1963!
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby bgroneman on Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:36 am

Phil,

You graduated UCLA? I never knew that.
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Re: Seguin (1981)

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:48 am

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