EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby K Hale on Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:31 pm

cc nolen wrote:Bowie Display in the Old Alamo Library.
Took a while, but we got permission to take some photos....but then it was too dark. :roll:

Aw man! I asked the guy for permission but was denied. :/
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:43 pm

K Hale wrote:
cc nolen wrote:Bowie Display in the Old Alamo Library.
Took a while, but we got permission to take some photos....but then it was too dark. :roll:

Aw man! I asked the guy for permission but was denied. :/

A rule in progress?
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby K Hale on Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:51 pm

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K Hale wrote:
cc nolen wrote:Bowie Display in the Old Alamo Library.
Took a while, but we got permission to take some photos....but then it was too dark. :roll:

Aw man! I asked the guy for permission but was denied. :/

A rule in progress?

Maybe. I even asked if it was OK to take photos without flash. Dude said no photos.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:01 pm

We had to go get Dr Winders. The Folks at Blade Mag. and Knife Mag. had asked if we could get some pics. They are trying to do a story on the exhibit.
To bad we didnt have a good camera...just a cell phone, and it was too dark. :(
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:13 pm

Grand Opening is this Sunday with ribbon cutting and cake. Perhaps they will be lax on photo restrictions.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby K Hale on Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:36 pm

cc nolen wrote:We had to go get Dr Winders. The Folks at Blade Mag. and Knife Mag. had asked if we could get some pics. They are trying to do a story on the exhibit.
To bad we didnt have a good camera...just a cell phone, and it was too dark. :(

That's what I need, a media badge! 8-)
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:04 am

Good idea!
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby Seguin on Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:00 am

cc nolen wrote:Bowie Display in the Old Alamo Library.
Took a while, but we got permission to take some photos....but then it was too dark. :roll:


The one in the middle looks a bit weird or atypical for a Bowie knife. It´s probably pretty rare.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:48 pm

Seguin wrote:
cc nolen wrote:Bowie Display in the Old Alamo Library.
Took a while, but we got permission to take some photos....but then it was too dark. :roll:


The one in the middle looks a bit weird or atypical for a Bowie knife. It´s probably pretty rare.

Those made by Samuel Bell are all very rare. He was famous for making the small dirk or dagger style knife. His workmanship was second to none.
His knives are sought after by collectors all over the World.
I have held the big one at the top. It use to belong to Mark Zalesky. He was kind enough to let me inspect the beauty in Natchez a few years back.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:57 pm

Hey!! I just noticed my mug shot (Avatar) is gone! :o ...Guess folks got tired of looking at it and did away with it??? :shock:
Didnt mean to continue to scare folks but its the only face I have. At least I'm not two faced or I wouldnt have used that one!!! :lol: :lol:
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby K Hale on Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:33 pm

I can see it. Same one as always. Not scary, ha!
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby SantaClaus on Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:16 pm

I can still see it, too, Chris. Perhaps it's merely a temporary tear in the space-time continuum. Happens all the time. It's caused by alien space ships that travel faster than the speed of light.
I met a space alien once. I expected him to have green or light gray skin, but he was as dark as life guard in the middle of a hot summer. So, I asked him about his skin color, and here's what he said.
SPACE ALIEN: "I'M TAN FROM THE SUN."
RICHARD: "I'M RICHARD FROM THE EARTH."
Space aliens are everywhere. I bet one even went to see the Bowie knife exhibition at the Alamo. Then again, maybe I've been in the sun too long. :lol:
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:53 pm

That's strange...I don't see it anymore. Hmmm, You may be right Richard. 8-)
Just a square that says Avatar on it.
Are those guys green or yellow Richard? :roll: ....Only me :shock:
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:18 pm

cc nolen wrote:That's strange...I don't see it anymore. Hmmm, You may be right Richard. 8-)
Just a square that says Avatar on it.
Are those guys green or yellow Richard? :roll: ....Only me :shock:

Are you on your home computer, or Ipad and smart phone? I know when my old dinosaur PC is running slow, picture images will take a long time to load.

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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby SantaClaus on Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:06 pm

Seguin wrote:The one in the middle looks a bit weird or atypical for a Bowie knife. It´s probably pretty rare.


cc nolen wrote:Those made by Samuel Bell are all very rare. He was famous for making the small dirk or dagger style knife. His workmanship was second to none.
His knives are sought after by collectors all over the World.
I have held the big one at the top. It use to belong to Mark Zalesky. He was kind enough to let me inspect the beauty in Natchez a few years back.
Chris...

That is really cool. 8-) I don't think I've every held in my hand anything worthy of being put on display in a museum. However, I must tell you that the knife you gave me is kept next to a John Wayne photo on a living room shelf. Every visitor to my house is shown that knife, and then I show them the picture of John Wayne which I always say is a picture of my father. That big knife usually draws an expression of awe, and the picture of "my father" usually brings on a grin. :D
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby Seguin on Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:47 am

cc nolen wrote:
Seguin wrote:
cc nolen wrote:Bowie Display in the Old Alamo Library.
Took a while, but we got permission to take some photos....but then it was too dark. :roll:


The one in the middle looks a bit weird or atypical for a Bowie knife. It´s probably pretty rare.

Those made by Samuel Bell are all very rare. He was famous for making the small dirk or dagger style knife. His workmanship was second to none.
His knives are sought after by collectors all over the World.
I have held the big one at the top. It use to belong to Mark Zalesky. He was kind enough to let me inspect the beauty in Natchez a few years back.
Chris...


I´ll bet one of his knives cost a few hundred bucks (cough-cough). It sure looks special. I wonder if it feels good holding it since the handle is a bit special too.

Hey!! I just noticed my mug shot (Avatar) is gone! :o ...Guess folks got tired of looking at it and did away with it??? :shock:
Didnt mean to continue to scare folks but its the only face I have. At least I'm not two faced or I wouldnt have used that one!!! :lol: :lol:
What happened Ned? duhhh?
Chris...


Don´t worry, Chris! Your avatar is two faced as always. :D
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:43 pm

Jack and I have had a few conversations about handles of knives made before the Civil War. A lot of the real artistic style knives have rather small handles.
Maybe it is because we are larger now?
The Bell Bowies all have rather small handles. The one I am having copied is not too small but sill smaller than one would think with a 13 inch blade.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby Seguin on Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:05 am

It looks absolutely great!

The Bell Bowies all have rather small handles. The one I am having copied is not too small but sill smaller than one would think with a 13 inch blade.


No reason to make a handle larger than necessary. Of course, a handle should fit a large hand too.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:04 pm

A lot of Samuel Bell's work was on silver and art knives. Some look like daggers. ;)
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:51 pm

Seguin wrote:It looks absolutely great!

The Bell Bowies all have rather small handles. The one I am having copied is not too small but sill smaller than one would think with a 13 inch blade.


No reason to make a handle larger than necessary. Of course, a handle should fit a large hand too.

I think Chris was mentioning the handle because the ones on the Musso Bowie, Sweet Bowie, and Neill Bowie are all unusually large.
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Re: EVOLUTION OF THE BOWIE KNIFE

Postby cc nolen on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:45 pm

Thanks Ned....You are correct. Maybe it was just the different makers. It seems the same maker made the Musso
and Neill Knives but the W O Sweet Knife is different in many ways. It uses iron fittings instead of brass and the
handle is oak, not maple. The blade has a little different shape, but this could be from more use.

Some of the Searles and Schively knives have smaller handles as well as most of the Sheffield Knives that hit the US
during the late 1830s. Some of these had real small handles. Some local Blacksmith made knives were very big, like
the Ables # 1 as you can see below in the picture. Enjoy.
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